Did Other OEMs Know Volkswagen Was Cheating?

Ronnie Schreiber
by Ronnie Schreiber

While working on a story about some very old cars, I stumbled upon something relevant to the latest big story in the automotive world.

I ran into a Model T collector who’s also a powertrain engineer for Ford. Seizing the opportunity, I asked him if he could tell me what he was working on (sometimes they say no). He said that he was responsible for developing computerized engine controls. Because of that expertise, I started to ask him some questions about the software program that Volkswagen apparently used to cheat on the EPA’s diesel emissions testing.

What he was willing to say and what he wouldn’t say intrigued me.

First off, he said that his employer absolutely, positively does not cheat. On that he was as adamant as a person can be, with no tells that I could see. If FoMoCo is cheating on emissions tests, I’d bet that he doesn’t know about it. However, he’s responsible for a lot of the systems that would be used in cheating and he says not only does it not happen at his company, he personally wouldn’t allow it.

When I asked him if they knew Volkswagen was cheating, that’s when it got interesting. He didn’t say no.

He said that his employer regularly tests competitors’ vehicles but that he has nothing to do with the competitive testing department. He stressed that I’d have to talk to someone in that department, and then reiterated that he knew nothing about competitive testing results. I don’t want to say that he was acting like Sgt. Schultz — far from that — but his words seemed to be carefully chosen. Just because you don’t work in a department doesn’t mean that you don’t hear things.

Ford doesn’t currently offer any small diesels in America. However, Ford does offer its Duratorq four-cylinder diesel engines in the Mondeo — the Fusion’s sibling — in Europe. Somewhere in Ford’s R&D archipelago, whether on the streets around their Allen Park engine development center or in Europe, it’s likely that Ford has tested VW’s urea-less “clean” four-cylinder diesels. Ford is also likely not the only automaker to have done so, and car companies have the resources to do real world, on-the-road emissions testing — not just duplicate the EPA test cycle on a dyno. Duplicating the EPA test would activate devices designed to cheat on that test.

If Ford did test the VW and Audi TDIs in question, they almost certainly knew that Volkswagen was cheating.

I’m guessing that at least a few of VW’s competitors knew all about their cheating and may have even reverse engineered the software that effected the cheat. The question I have: If Volkswagen’s competitors knew it was cheating, why didn’t anyone drop a dime on Volkswagen? If you’re confident that you aren’t cheating, and you’re just as confident that your competitor is, what’s the downside to turning them in?

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Ronnie Schreiber edits Cars In Depth, a realistic perspective on cars & car culture and the original 3D car site. If you found this post worthwhile, you can get a parallax view at Cars In Depth. If the 3D thing freaks you out, don’t worry, all the photo and video players in use at the site have mono options. Thanks for reading – RJS

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  • BrunoT BrunoT on Oct 06, 2015

    Why include the bit about him being a "model T collector" unless you wanted his employers to be able to identify him as speaking to you about this? You guys are a bunch of weasely Richards.

  • Jthorner Jthorner on Oct 11, 2015

    Interestingly enough, Valvoline got into it with ExxonMobil a few years when Valvoline's test of Mobil-1 showed it not meeting the standards ExxonMobil claimed it met. This was one of the few times I've seen the results of issues found in competitive product tests make the light of day. Mobil-1 fanboys threw all kinds of shade at Valvoline and in the end I don't think is did Valvoline any good. Check it out: http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/7851063282

  • Bkojote Allright, actual person who knows trucks here, the article gets it a bit wrong.First off, the Maverick is not at all comparable to a Tacoma just because they're both Hybrids. Or lemme be blunt, the butch-est non-hybrid Maverick Tremor is suitable for 2/10 difficulty trails, a Trailhunter is for about 5/10 or maybe 6/10, just about the upper end of any stock vehicle you're buying from the factory. Aside from a Sasquatch Bronco or Rubicon Jeep Wrangler you're looking at something you're towing back if you want more capability (or perhaps something you /wish/ you were towing back.)Now, where the real world difference should play out is on the trail, where a lot of low speed crawling usually saps efficiency, especially when loaded to the gills. Real world MPG from a 4Runner is about 12-13mpg, So if this loaded-with-overlander-catalog Trailhunter is still pulling in the 20's - or even 18-19, that's a massive improvement.
  • Lou_BC "That’s expensive for a midsize pickup" All of the "offroad" midsize trucks fall in that 65k USD range. The ZR2 is probably the cheapest ( without Bison option).
  • Lou_BC There are a few in my town. They come out on sunny days. I'd rather spend $29k on a square body Chevy
  • Lou_BC I had a 2010 Ford F150 and 2010 Toyota Sienna. The F150 went through 3 sets of brakes and Sienna 2 sets. Similar mileage and 10 year span.4 sets tires on F150. Truck needed a set of rear shocks and front axle seals. The solenoid in the T-case was replaced under warranty. I replaced a "blend door motor" on heater. Sienna needed a water pump and heater blower both on warranty. One TSB then recall on spare tire cable. Has a limp mode due to an engine sensor failure. At 11 years old I had to replace clutch pack in rear diff F150. My ZR2 diesel at 55,000 km. Needs new tires. Duratrac's worn and chewed up. Needed front end alignment (1st time ever on any truck I've owned).Rear brakes worn out. Left pads were to metal. Chevy rear brakes don't like offroad. Weird "inside out" dents in a few spots rear fenders. Typically GM can't really build an offroad truck issue. They won't warranty. Has fender-well liners. Tore off one rear shock protector. Was cheaper to order from GM warehouse through parts supplier than through Chevy dealer. Lots of squeaks and rattles. Infotainment has crashed a few times. Seat heater modual was on recall. One of those post sale retrofit.Local dealer is horrific. If my son can't service or repair it, I'll drive 120 km to the next town. 1st and last Chevy. Love the drivetrain and suspension. Fit and finish mediocre. Dealer sucks.
  • MaintenanceCosts You expect everything on Amazon and eBay to be fake, but it's a shame to see fake stuff on Summit Racing. Glad they pulled it.
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